>> jennifer: i'm jennifer granholm, where politics. >> tea partyers are stirring and ready to fight and red state were primed to ignite. boehner was trapped in a box that was tight.

he since the battle rages on for the soul of the right. but perhaps we shouldn't rub our hands until it's over, for the last map standing in fact, might be named grover. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> jennifer: earlier today emotion came to the senate floor to ratified a treaty on the disabled. it's modeled on the landmark of merges withamericans

. he claimed u.s. sovereignty so the tea party is now in from its right flank. it's not just about the united nations. 24 hours an speaker john boehner put a budget offer on the table the tea party is threatening to throw him over board. what is his great plan? raising revenues--aah. the details are pretty vague, but we know his plan would raise $800 billion in revenue closing some unnamed loopholes while sparing the top earners from any more taxes. tea partyers object to raising

any revenue at all. on the other side the president is not pleased with boehner's plan because he said there would be no deal without higher tax rates for the wealthy. >> obama: if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made, and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, then we're going to have to say the rates on the top 2% go up, and we're not able to get a deal without it. >> jennifer: and jay carney piled on the g.o.p. plan. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenue. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> jennifer: magic beans and fairy dust. those are fighting words--frilly

fairytale fighting words but still fighting words and boehner came back with a few verbal jabs of his own saying, quote, if the president really wants to avoid sending the economy over the fiscal cliff he has done nothing to demonstrate it. but even as the democrats pound him from the left, he is taking punches from the right. the leader of the right's rebellion is, of course, grover norquist. he said the president has installed himself at loyalty, and boehner is not being sufficiently revolutionary. >> he thinks someone made him king. he doesn't have the mandate that he thinks he does. i think he takes us over the cliff because he has got blinders on. he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> jennifer: or where he stands? where the president stands? he's leader of the free world for goodness sakes. but back to the tea party senator jim demint, who was

riding first class on the tea party express, he tweeted that boehner's propose is an $800 billion tax hike that will destroy jobs and allow politicians to spend even more. not so fast, demint. there is yet another front in this revolution. conservative columnist jennifer ruben dismissed demint's rhetoric and says the votes of demimit t al are no votes. oh please, smart and sensible conservatives should ignore the drivers of right-wing lunyie train and carry on. others think they're being punished for their votes. the committee chaired by boehner

booted four top members were top spots who are known for bucking leadership. one of them, tim huelska mp told us what he thought. >> it's petty, it's vin detective,vindictiveand if you have conservative thoughts, you will be punished. but take care, harry reid says he feels bad that you have a deal with the rapid members of the tea party. so for more on the story i'm joined by dan gross the global business editor are the daily beast, and joining us from politico's arlington virginia's

newsroom. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> great to be here. >> dan, let me begin with you. maybe you can give us a feel of why exactly the tea party republicans are upset with boehner's proposal, specifically? >> they are still under the illusion that deficits can be reduced without getting more revenues. you saw this--this has been there sort of article of faith for many years and it has been the republican orthodoxy back in 2011 when arguing with the debt ceiling and spending cuts and nothing about increased revenues, and boehner said he got 98% of what he wanted. when romney was running for office, there was not a peep until the end of the campaign. he was basically saying we could have a balanced budget amendment. we could cap spending and cut it. so their own colleagues have not told them these last many years that in order to reduce the

deficit, you need more revenues, whether that comes from higher rates or higher taxes or getting rid of deductions. so when one of their own says it, it's a shock to the system. >> jennifer: yes, for sure. kerry, do you think that the tea party is going to be able to kill the plan before it gets started? >> you know, it's really the struggle that is going on right now. the speaker put out this plan yesterday that clearly you know is a reversal from where he was at least publicly over the last year and a half, the endorsed revenues privately. you know, he's struggling with keeping his republican conference in line he's saying we need to do the 98% the tax locked in those rates for 98% of the americans, but he has a real issue with them and we're seeing

it with the conservative pundits right now and we have to see if that movement gains momentum. that's the choice that the speaker has in terms of which way he's going to go. will he find compromise that satisfies conservatives or does it give the president what he wants. it's hard to thread that needle. i don't think such a hole exists. it will come down for him trying to figure out which way he'll go and have huge implications either way. >> jennifer: dan, to that point how risky is it for boehner to take on the tea party? >> well look, he can't respond to obama by simply saying nothing or stomping his feet. so he did come back with a plan. he said this is not my idea. i'm just cutting and pacing and pasting

the stuff that he said. he said we could get $800 billion from limiting deductions or capping them, but he does not specify what they are. if you think there was people throwing a fit in washington today, wait until they come out and say this means getting rid of the mortgage deduction that people get on their mortgages or giving money to their church or university, that's where the money is in deductions. that's something that a lot of people use and it has very powerful support in the country washington and the country at large. >> jennifer: if you do that by closing loopholes you still can't come up with enough money unless you basically eliminate them right? >> right, and you know, it's a few $100 billion perhaps. again, i don't think it's sort of asymmetrical warfare.

the obamas put together a plan. if you jack up the rates on the top earners you'll get more money, and more money will be withheld from their salaries and they'll owe more at the end of the year. by contrast if you talk about ways of eliminating deductions without saying which ones they are, that doesn't get you far. that's been in the conversation for the la many years in washington. >> jennifer: carrie, you talked about a compromise. in a way to give the republicans a way of saving face, they might put forth a bill that the republicans vote present on. how likely is that? >> we did see that report yesterday, i think the speaker boehner really refuted that or. i think the plan at some point

but it's not the plan now. a lot of these stories, they will be corrected at some point in time, and we may get to that point defending how things play out over the next two weeks. it really is, as we look at december 17th, which is two weeks from yesterday and it's a week before christmas and there's nothing happening we could see a plan like that gaining some ground. i think at this point even though things seem stalled and things are truly stalled congress has a lifetime in negotiations, even though they're extraordinarily complex in washington, governor, things can move really quickly once you get a breakthrough. >> jennifer: and it's all last minute. no one wants to cave too early. if they reveal it too early people will be lobbied intensively. my suspicion is if there comes a

deal it will come late. do you think we're going to go over the cliff carrie? >> i bet that they will come to some sort of agreement beforehand just because it's just my hunch at this point. things only happen, as you said, in the last minute and it will be hard to see it go past that. >> jennifer: dan? >> i think there is still a relatively high chance that we will go over the cliff. as you said these negotiations can come together very quickly at the last minute. but boehner's record going back to 2008 when he could not sell the tarp to his caucus and it failed on its first vote, he has not shown an ability to get his own people to agree to anything that the president will sign. i don't see any signs of that yet. >> jennifer: all right we'll certainly be watching. thank you for come on "the war room." carrie burdell brown and dan gross. coming up the koch brothers

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prescribed by rheumatologists. >> jennifer: there's trouble brewing in the tea part tonight. this guy dick army, he resigned his post as chairman of freedom works. freedom works is the koch brother's founded group that led the fight to kill obama-care, and is the group that started the whole tea party movement. tea partyers across the country. and according to a confidential contract obtained by the associated press dick army will be getting $8 million golden parachute. now with dick army out, i would like to nominate several people who i think would be worthy successors. allen west of florida.

nobody better epitomizes the tea party than him and because he says so many crazy things he'll give the group a lot of free press. soon to be former congressman joe walsh would be a good replacement for dick army, and last but not least another guy who deserves consideration richard mourdock who said pregnancy from rape is quote something that god intended." coming up, to discuss the problem with the tea party is andy croll. welcome back inside "the war room"," andy. >> what isgood to be back. >> what is behind the departure when he was the face and voice of it. >> dick army was the father figure of freedom works.

he is keeping his cards close to the vest about the exact reasons for his de departure. he does not like the direction that freedom works is taking going forward. >> jennifer: really? >> yeah, he does not believe that freedom works is doing what it need to be doing to benefit and growing the conservative movement. he doesn't like where the leadership has taken the group and he has agreed to lucratively part ways with the organization that he really put on the map and he really made famous. >> jennifer: $8 million contract how can he be walking away from that? i'm interested in the disagreement. it's not a personality conflict but a disagreement. do you imagine that freedom works is too far to the right? they should be going. [ farting sounds ] to --should it be farther to the

right? >> what do conservatives need to do to take back the white house to grow their ranks to take back the senate, and really to get the momentum going again. on the one hand you have died in the wool conservatives. some of the folks who are still at freedom works saying that we need to double down, we need to rei am brace the true conservative believes that we have. and then you have folks potentially dick army, who are more moderate on immigration reform saying look, we are dead as a party if we do not reach out and support comprehensive reform. we have seen departures from high level staffers in the wake of army's departure what is playing out is perhaps what is playing out in the conservative

movement and the republican party. >> jennifer: wow fascinating. do you think army's departure may be signaling that they're losing some of their steam or is it a recalibration? >> it is a recalibration of sorts. the republican party has been losing it's steam since the 2010 elections which was the high watermark for the party. you may say the debt ceiling fight when the tea party prevented a deal from happening. they managed to reelect a decent amount of tea party members but they knocked off alan weathers, walsh, and mack in florida. this is perhaps a symptom of the tea party's diminishing influence, but it's also an identity struggle, and how do

they stay meaningful. >> jennifer: who decides who replaces dick army, is that that a koch brothers' decision? >> i think what you will see board members there who are rich conservative donors, movers and shakers that individually is paying dick army's $8 million parachute which is worth noting. they are the folks who will decide who will replace dick army. >> jennifer: who is that? >> a fellow named stevenson he runs cancer centers of america around the country. he is on the freedom works board. another influential person, these are the types of folks who are going to pick army's

successor. it's a big decision. army was the face of freedom works and an essential face in the tea party. >> jennifer: i nominated three people who i think will be great dereplacements, but they are all people who lost, and i don't know if freedom works wants to be painted as a place where tea partyers go to die. they may pick someone else. do you think it's likely that the president and ceo of freedom works matt kibby takes on a larger role. >> matt kibby could take on a bigger role. he is a known quantity in the tea party movement. a figure that looms large. dick army brought to that role a history in the congress, house majority leader. he helped to write and promote the contract with america the mid 90s republican manifesto if you will, or connie mack in

florida or some conservative figure who has had time in the government does have those connections. but also has another foot in the conservative movement, and has those conservative bona fides which dick army did which made him so appealing as head of that organization. >> jennifer: so many fascinateing developments on the far right. it's a good day to be a democrat. that's andy kroll. thank you so much for coming on "the war room." if alan west ever left the house of representatives some sort of of--how shall i say--some incident would be involved. then patrick murphy came and sent him alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden

agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

>> jennifer: back inside "the war room." i'm jennifer granholm. okay, i have a confession to make. it's not easy so bear with me. part of me is really going to miss outgoing tea party congressman alan allen west from florida. there is not a single thing we agree with, but i can always count on allen west to say something crazy. see for yourself.

>> jennifer: and the list goes on and on. so while i might mess miss allen west i'm thrilled, thrilled political newcomer patrick murphy is taking his place in congress. the contest between allen west and patrick murphy was one of the closest races less than 2,000 votes separated these two guys and allen west raised $17 million, compared to patrick murphy's $4 million. well tonight i'm so pleased to be able to welcome congressman elect patrick murphy of

florida's 18 district back inside "the war room." so good to have you back. >> thank you governor, it's an honor to be here. >> jennifer: all right, so i made a little confession. i want to you make a confession, too. you're really probably going to be boring compared to allen west aren't you? >> unfortunately, i think you're right. he sure did light up the airwaves. we've had interviews with some of the local press and they said patrick we're glad you run, but he did sell a lot of newspapers. >> jennifer: yes, did he. i don't know if you want to take on that kind of attention any way. the district probably welcomes boring and competent. what does it say to you about the districts and maybe the mood out there that despite being outspent 4-1 that you were able to beat the guy who is a poster child of the tea party. >> money can't buy elections. that's huge.

this election sent a message to the country that despite all the money and negativity in this race we prevailed. the voters saw through it. beyond that i think this send a message to the congress and really everybody in the country that the tea party is dying. they want to get things done, the my way or the highway mentality is not what voters want. it did not move our country forward. i'm happy to represent the 18th district in florida and i'm looking forward to going to washington, d.c. >> jennifer: what you described is an interesting juxtaposition that is happening in d.c. right now, the fiscal cliff and the rights and the soul of the republican party. i'm wondering how you feel whether they resolve it before you come to town? i know you want to avert a crisis, but at the same time deep down do you wish you had a chance to be part that have

particular vote? >> look, for the sake of our country, i hope this is resolved before i get there. you know, i've been talking to business owners throughout the corinth for months now. they want certainty predictability from our government. they realize that our taxes are going to be up a little bit. they know there is going to reform to social security and medicare, they want to know so they know how to plan for their companies. i hope it's resolved before i get there if not so be it, i see this as an opportunity for america to lead the way. china is slowing down. india is slowing down. europe is in a recession. south america is slowing down. we have an opportunity to lead out of this mess. i hope we take the lead. >> jennifer: everyone wants to prevent going over over the cliff

you still will have a lot of issues on how best to lead the country forward. allen west will be gone but there will be tea partyers remain. how do you work with people who think compromise is a bad word? >> look, i was just earlier with the republican part of my district today and met with a lot of republican commissioners. the message i told them is what i told everybody. whether you're a republican, democrat, i have an open door. i want to hear your thoughts, your concerns and i want to be your voice in washington, d.c. i plan to represent 100% of this district and being a passionate voice for everybody. i hope i can sit down with everybody in d.c. and whether republican democrat, tea party or not. i want to hear their point of view. i imagine they'll disagree, but i hope this race in particular my defeat of allen west will send a signal and maybe a warning shot over their bo bow

that things are changing. >> jennifer: for those of us who have not been inside the orientation, how did that go? what do they do to orient new members of congress? >> they get all the new freshman members of congress, republican and democrat, and they put us in a lot of sort of halls, a lot of meetings with--you go overrules regulation ethics, and committee assignments that sort of thing what to expect, common mistakes by freshman, loose of this back-office stuff. i wish it was more policy driven but you have to learn the rules first. >> jennifer: you have to know where the bathrooms are before you get start. >> exactly. >> jennifer: the house has not made committee assignments yet have you gotten assignment yet probably. what committee do you hope to be on? >> i hope to be on financial services.

the reason for that, my background is a cpa. also what is going to be done in thecongress will have to do with services. my district is no different. we're really hit very hard by the housing crisis, and i want to be in a position to help out my district. >> jennifer: all right patrick murphy who first appeared for his first national appearance on this show. we are claiming him as our own congratulations. >> thank you, governor. >> jennifer: up next, so we know that the g.o.p. is a little bit of a train wreck right now. what should democrats be doing? we'll get an answer to-to-that

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>>current will let me say anything. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> jennifer: first republicans lost the election, now they're losing their cool. speaker boehner is battling against his right flank as we're discussing. it's a right on right battle. what should the democrats do in this g.o.p. internal party scrap? should they give them breathing room? go for the jugular or avoid them at all costs. >> speaker boehner was here for a christmas party. the two of you did not even speak. what will it take to get the two of you in a room to hash this out. >> obama: will speaker boehner and i speak frequently. >> when will the two of you sit down in a room. >> obama: i don't think the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> jennifer: he's totally right by that, by the way.

president obama reiterated that he's on board with entitlement reform and cuts but the republicans have to budge on tax rates for the wealthy. harry reid had this for the republicans. >> i sympathize sympathize with john boehner. the tea party has a firm grip on the republican party. we are not going to twist ourselves into contortions to please a vocal minority of the tea party. >> jennifer: that's fascinating a new approach for harry reid feeling sorry for john boehner. i'm not sure how john boehner feels about that. with me is karl frisch in washington and donny welcome back inside "the war room"." >> it's a party. >> jennifer: yeah, all good stuff. karl i'll start with you. how should democrats be handling this tea party revolt? should they do more to assist

speaker boehner? >> we should be throwing gas on the fire. this is an emporer with no clothes. when we were pushed to fiscal cliff it was because john boehner promised something to the president and could not get members of his caucus do the right thing for the american people. >> i don't think we should be putting more gas on the karl what you're saying when your enemy is committing suicide, don't step in and interrupt? >> jennifer: break out the popcorn and sit back and watch the fight. a right on right fight. >> they're the ones who are responsible. don't blame us. >> what you risk about allowing them to fight with each other is going over the fiscal cliff and

plunging us into another recession. when i say put gas on the fire, we cannot sit here and wait for them to self-destruct. it does not get the job done in washington. what gets the job in washington is standing up loud and proud and look at what they're doing to us. if we don't do that, we will squander another opportunity to show the american people that democrats are doing what is right for the working class in this country, and republicans are standing in the way to protect the tax cuts-- >> and that's the democrat's job here. it's to look like they're being responsible adults and putting real solutions on the table. they're doing this. >> jennifer: fact, there was a "washington post" poll that was released today that shows 53% of americans believe republicans in congress would be to blame if an agreement is not reached by january 1st. 27% only, half say president obama would be to blame. using that to their advantage and being the responsible adults

is not just stepping back, but pointing out what is obvious. >> we do have to solve the problem. whether republican or something else we do have to solve the problems. let's not step in and solve their problem for them. the problem that the democrats and the president and are ultimately responsible for is the fiscal cliff. >> jennifer: karl, is the fiscal cliff a republican party? it's a problem for us, but the political side, isn't it really a problem for them? >> it's a huge problem not just in the immediate where we are right now sense of the word. i'm surprised when they showed them to blame i guess in the halls of congress the republicans said yes we're ahead in the poll. this boiled down to their fading power with their fading demographics in the country and the demographics that look

poorly on them. acting as spoiled children that hold this country ransom does not help them with any of the demographics that reelected this house, increased the number of democrats in the house or the senate. >> the tea party might say we won one and we lost one. we won 2010. we lost 2012 because we were too moderate. we had a meally mouth nominee-- >> i believethey're in a position-- >> if they act like real conservatives, real nut jobs, then we're proven right. they're blinded by their own ideology. >> i'm not surprised that a party who does not believe in evolution has only a memory that goes back to 2010. we might have to remember further back and this would be three-for-four for democrats of

late with this president and the current body of congress. >> jennifer: i want to get to the end game, though, which is always my want. i want to figure out how they're going to resolve it. going over the cliff is one way to resolve it, but short of that if we assume that the deal with be put together at the 11th hour, the deal itself, some people are saying would be that you put a bill forward in the house that democrats will vote for, and that republicans will only vote present on. it's a way to give them an ability to save face. do you think that is one of the ways. >> that's as fun as kissing your sister. >> jennifer: well, at least it's a kiss. >> oh my goodness. >> jennifer: on the cheek, on the cheek. >> hey look, the american people want some leadership and bipartisan leadership and solutions. saying i'm here but i don't have an opinion does not help the republican party. >> jennifer: or does it help in the tax increase. karl we'll get back after the break.

you guys stay right where you are, and after the break we'll talk about a couple of other things going on. will hillary clinton trade the world stage for the big apple top job? or plus there is a lot of speculation about anna windpower vogue editor will bring a new

>> jennifer: when it comes to secretary of state hillary clinton there is no shortage of speculation or what is next for her career. a lot of democrats are hoping to see her make a presidential run in 2016, but it seems new york mayor michael bloomberg has a different idea. bloomberg called clinton and urged her to run for his job in in 2013 after she completes her tenure as secretary of state. should the big apple be secretary clinton's next gig? might be there a job for her there in four years.

here after the moves of general petraeus we have karl frisch and donnie fowler. mayor clinton. >> mayor chelsey clinton. >> jennifer: you think hillary clinton would be interested in being mayor? >> no, as great as new york is, i think it would feel like a demotioning to from traveling the world as secretary of state to dining the fine restaurant of new york. i think they'll vote in quinn. >> jennifer: karl, let me follow up with you. there is a new york democrat nate shinigoa who lost his race, but he received a letter from hillary clinton, and he posted it on his facebook.

and she's in fact in that letter encouraging him to keep on fighting in the political website, saying that is new for clinton. do you think she's building support for a presidential campaign? >> i don't think she's building support to go on a nice long vacation. >> jennifer: i totally agree. >> which is probably what she's going to do, take a break while her team puts everything together. it's smart politics congratulating, and offering condolences to anyone who lost. i think it's pretty normal. i think it's usual that a candidate would put it up for the world to see but i think it's a smart thing for her to do whether or not she wants to run for president. >> jennifer: honestly, to me more than the other tea leaves out there that to me today was the biggest sign that she is open-- >> keeping options open. >> jennifer: absolutely. you don't send out--send out

congratulations or condolence people to lost much less than i'm sure she sent them out to those who won. >> who knows who andrew cuomo is the candidates have to spend the next year or two introducing themselves. as karl said she is going on vacation and have people write letters. she doesn't have to do the leg work that other democrats have to do. >> jennifer: she wants it has it if she she wants it, and she may be considering that machine. there is another interesting story about woodward oring that ayles encouraged general petraeus to run for president. does that surprise you? >> i feel like the home alone

kid. i'm so surprised ailes encouraging him for president. no, this fits perfectly. they have said that the president of the united states is a communist fascist socialist, cartoonist pianist, and anything they can attach to him, unamerican apologizing for america leader. what did they do? what is the exact opposite of that, a four-star american military general. let's get him to run for president against fascist unamerican barack obama. that makes sense. i wish people would put this case to rest. it has been proven without a shadow of a doubt that news is not a news agency. >> what? >> jennifer: we're shocked. >> what? >> jennifer: wait a second before we go we only have a minute left. first of all, do you think

petraeus still has a future. >> he has a future speaking, writing books. >> jennifer: let me ask you about this, the name now potentially as someone who could be ambassador to france or england, is that someone who has been a supporter of the president. >> the sexyiest ambassador in history. let's have it. >> i think the devil would be awesome to have diplomatic immunity. >> jennifer: thank you so much for joining me inside "the war room." >> thanks, governor. >> jennifer: you bet. we'll tell you who the republicans are blaming for their losses in the 2012 election, and yes, you will laugh. we'll be right back. you know who is coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's

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>> jennifer: it has been so fun watching the g.o.p. implode since the election. we've got great seats here in "the war room" where we're covering all of these political battles, but i'm starting to worry about really our republican friends the loss is driving them to crazy town, and they might never return. a new poll found that 49% of g.o.p. voters think that acorn stole the election for president obama--acorn. that seems like probably an improvement from the 52% who thought the same thing in 2008.

until you remember that acorn no longer exists at all. some republicans have actually gone further off the deepened. rick santorum, for example still smarting from his own party loss and the shellacking from the party that he supports, he has greed to be columnist for "world net daily." you hopefully do not know this. this publishes rivetting stories like america on linen's path to war fair, or of course, you remember this one when animals are afraid they don't pray. well, i would pray if i was rick santorum's animal. maybe he just wants the comfort of being with other crazy towners. heck he's going to